What's the truth about crime rates? A conversation with economist John Lott

I have been wrestling with the recent news reports about the historic plummeting of crime rates for some time.  I am left thinking, "Don't believe your lying eyes."  Depending on which news outlets you watch you might have a very different perspective on crime.  The left tells you the drop in crime is historic - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/30/trump-crime-fbi-data-murder-statistics/73443631007/

Right-wing outlets tell you Blue States are basically hellscapes and it's Mad MAX everywhere. I want an honest conversation to find the truth and perhaps some nuance.  I have reached out to Jeff Asher (with no luck) to come on the show and share his data.  John Lott was more than willing to come on and share his.  Enjoy and please let me know your thoughts.